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StudioCMC
11-10-2007, 05:39 PM
Well, yesterday, I was all excited about getting a new Flash ring for my camera/Studio Work.

I was all amped up, reading the specs for this new ZEUS ZRM1 RingMaster (http://www.white-lightning.com/zrm1.html)
So I simply was oblivious to the actual "requirements" of this unit.

I was shoping for the 20 Degree Honeycomb, and the Moon Unit accessory kit, and I was in true heavan figuring out some new shot ideas. Well Friday 3 boxes of goodies showed up. So as most of us, I started to go through the boxes of good stuff, when I happend to notice the power cord, is a Synch power cord adapert! WTF!??

So, the short of it, I now need to have to return the ZRM1 Ring Master, as it requres a power pack in order to use it. Vs the standard (Plug into the wall) outlet sort of power plug.

But now.. the more that I think about it, I can drag this thing ANYWHERE if I had the power packs. The problem is the power pack comes in two flavors, One sells for $599.00 the other $799.00

Thats a wee bit steep for my budget.. But damn that would be WAY cool!

So I need to go back and return this unit, for a ABR800 AlienBees Ringflash (http://www.alienbees.com/abr800.html)

So now I gotta call them up, look/sound like a moron, and ask them to let me return this unit for a "Dork proof" system..

See what happens when you study all the specs for too long, and complely forget the obvious.. IT REQUIRES A POWER PACK..

Oh well.. I guess my cool adventures will be NEXT week sometime..

Chris

zacker
11-10-2007, 08:14 PM
hell, im just jealouse that you were able to order it... lol funny thing is, i dont think theres too much difference between the two except of course, the power pack but, if you get the vegabond, you can take the ABR800 on location so.... all is still good... no?

oldnavy170
11-10-2007, 08:26 PM
That does suck. I have never used a lightring. Are they good for portraits?

StudioCMC
11-12-2007, 12:08 AM
Yeah Craig, the ABR800 has a few features that are a bit less than the Zeus. But your right there is little diffrence, but I truly thought I didn't need a power pack. =(

OldNavy> Yeah they are more intense lighting, more driven for fashion, or Glam shots. Not really somthing for family port work. I guess it depends on how you style your portraits. :D

But thanks for sulking with me..

Chris

zacker
11-12-2007, 06:57 AM
they are great for portraits, I think they were actually designed for portrait work but as Chris said, prolly not that great for families or groups of more than two people. The great thing about them is since its a ring of light that you actually shoot through, you gey very little shadow on the subject.. its a nice smoothe light and you can get some interesting results when you use it with other studio lights.
one way to replicate the lighting from a ringflash is to set up a shoot through umbrella directly in front of your subject and stick your camera between it and the subject and fire it with a remote.. lol it also make for some funny looking catch lights in the eyes.

JustinL
11-13-2007, 08:07 AM
Chris,
I'm so glad you posted something like this, because I was reading about that same unit the other day. No wonder the Zeus unit is cheaper than the ABR800!

I'm trying to make a ring flash that I saw on Strobist, but i might just end up getting the AB when it comes down to it. Either that or the Vagabond 2 (which would enable me to use SIX flashes on location!)

zacker
11-13-2007, 08:13 AM
Justin, have you been to Strobist yet this week, its Ringflash week, each day its something else on RF and theres a whole new discussian on DIY rings going on, Dave Hobby (strobist) is trying to find a cheap, easy to make ringflash design that cn easily be used in bright sunlight... theres a bunch of folks working out ideas.. its getting interesting. I have tried a few designs but none of em panned out good enough for my liking... ill see what these guys come up with.

zacker
11-13-2007, 08:14 AM
http://strobist.blogspot.com/

StudioCMC
11-13-2007, 09:53 AM
Hmm.. My knowlage of Electricity is not all that strong.. I think I will stick with the "buy it" sort of gear, and leave you folks to the Pioneering and R&D..


Justin, Yeah, It was a real eye opener.. But I agree with your thinking. The portable power would be great for your car shoots, and then all ya need is a cool backgrounds, sunsets, and lots of stuff like that!

To expensive for my current budget.. lol

Chris

JustinL
11-13-2007, 10:05 AM
This is the one I'm currently trying. And let me tell you, that Laminate film is being very mean to me right now!!!

http://eyeonbirmingham.blogspot.com/2007/10/ring.html

Got that from Strobist a week or 2 ago. I'd check his blog, but it's blocked from work. :(

zacker
11-13-2007, 04:30 PM
lol i saw this one... what flash will you be using in it? like i said, i tired two different ones with me 420Ex but it just doesnt have the guts to push out that much light.. i might try another with the SB25.. but now i just might wait to see what the guys at strobist come up with.. supposedly, the company who makes the cactus triggers (ebay remotes) is gonna be the MFG of the Strobist ring flash, at around $50.00 (target price range) it could be cool.. lets see.

StudioCMC
11-13-2007, 08:09 PM
This is exactly why I don't try to build it.. I would spend more time cussing, rather than shooting.. LOL

This is what I am going after for the effect I am working towards (http://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/070830/22/46d786d536ff0.jpg).. (This is NOT my image) Image is Family Friendly.. :D

Chris

zacker
11-13-2007, 08:29 PM
did you try the " put brolly or SB right in front of subject but behind camera" trick yet? gives a pseudo Ring flash look.. either a white shoot through brolly or good sized soft box should do.

StudioCMC
11-13-2007, 09:27 PM
I am using 2 softboxes on an ultra white back drop, and then I am re-bouncing that onto a 2 bounce cards, I still need the flashring to overdrive the face, and the look in the catch.

I don't have any Brollys. I just use SB or a Beauty dish or umbrellas.

I sent the Flashring back today, Hopefully I will have it by next week.. I have a rather new style of shoot coming up.. It will not be a family friendly shoot though..

Chris

JustinL
11-13-2007, 10:49 PM
lol i saw this one... what flash will you be using in it? like i said, i tired two different ones with me 420Ex but it just doesnt have the guts to push out that much light.. i might try another with the SB25.. but now i just might wait to see what the guys at strobist come up with.. supposedly, the company who makes the cactus triggers (ebay remotes) is gonna be the MFG of the Strobist ring flash, at around $50.00 (target price range) it could be cool.. lets see.

I can't fit the enormous 580 in it, so I cut for the sigma super 500. I'll try to finish it this week.

zacker
11-14-2007, 07:03 AM
chris, wouldnt the beauty dish provide almost the same lighting....save for havint it on your cam of course..

Brolly = umbrellas.. this is how the "Cool" kids say it....lol.

cant wait to see what you do once you get the Ringflash... it should be fun to use!


Justin, cant wait to see what yours does... definetly post up some samples with it when youre done.

StudioCMC
11-15-2007, 12:18 PM
The Beauty Dish does do the trick, but it really needs to be set low. My strobes are 1800's and they really over drive this.

The Flashring would allwo me to shoot outdoors, and its far more flexable rather than dealing with a Beauty Dish..

But Your right, it could be done.. Damnit.. Don't try to talk me out of this.. I see what your doing! :D

Chris

StudioCMC
11-15-2007, 12:19 PM
This is what I am calling a Brolly (http://www.white-lightning.com/brolly.html)

zacker
11-15-2007, 12:21 PM
ahh the brolly box.. umbrella- softbox..lol,lol.
hey, Im not trying to talk you otta the ringflash, id rather you bought one and then another....for me!!! lol

StudioCMC
11-29-2007, 02:26 PM
Well the Ringflash is now setup.. and man does it look good!

http://www.studiocmc.com/models/Ringflash_1.jpg

Here is the back side..the Camera mounts to the base of the sliding light rod. The Light its self mounts onto a standard light stand. (NOT YOUR TRIPOD) so this is sorta quirky as I usualy shoot in port stances (90 Degree CCW) so I will need to buy a universal L bracket to mount this to my camera.

http://www.studiocmc.com/models/Ringflash_2.jpg

Here you can see the Power cord pluged into the radio reciver, and the small line is the synch cable into the Flashring. The cool thing is that the light slides up and down to allow you to keep your Battery grip pack on. I have my 20 - 40 MM (Which is an 82mm lens ) with the sun cover (on backwards) so there is lots of room to have big glass, that will fit through the opening.

http://www.studiocmc.com/models/Ringflash_3.jpg

This is the moon kit, that is a reverseable Silver/gold combo. I don't have any shots with out this with just the ring or the 20 Degree honeycomb.

But quickly setting it up, and at the lowest settings, and being about 2 feet away, I metered this at 1/60 - F3.5 - ISO100 . I also shot this at 1/4 power, and the 1/60 - F18 - ISO100 resulted in this.
http://www.studiocmc.com/models/Ringflash_Chris.jpg

Ok, its a very ugly and unshaved model, and thank god for photoshop.. But this was a quick setup to see what it looks like. :D

Chris

zacker
11-29-2007, 03:17 PM
cool!! i like the umbrella box too... have you tried it with just the ring flash? no diffuser?

JustinL
11-29-2007, 06:44 PM
WOW Chris, that unit you made looks just like the Alien Bees one:D

I can't wait to see more shots with this unit, I'm excited!!!