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convergent
09-11-2006, 10:29 PM
Well this is my first trip out on Varsity High School Soccer, and my timing was a little rusty. The sun was low and very bright, so the lighting was harsh. I shot manual, metered off the grass. I used a 1DMk2N w/400 f/2.8 II and a second 1DMk2N w/70-200 f/2.8 IS. Most of these are with the 400. I seemed to always be at the wrong end of the field from the action... one of those days. Here are a few from the game.

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http://www.northeastfoto.com/gallery/files/3/2/2/web_TS2_0767.jpg

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http://www.northeastfoto.com/gallery/files/3/2/2/web_TS2_0670.jpg

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http://www.northeastfoto.com/gallery/files/3/2/2/web_TS2_0716.jpg

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http://www.northeastfoto.com/gallery/files/3/2/2/web_TS2_0765.jpg

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http://www.northeastfoto.com/gallery/files/3/2/2/web_TS2_0643.jpg

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http://www.northeastfoto.com/gallery/files/3/2/2/web_TS2_0636.jpg

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http://www.northeastfoto.com/gallery/files/3/2/2/web_TS1_9938.jpg

zacker
09-12-2006, 07:09 AM
wow Mike, The sharpness and clairity of your shots always amazes me... whats the secret?

convergent
09-12-2006, 11:18 AM
wow Mike, The sharpness and clairity of your shots always amazes me... whats the secret?

Actually, I was thinking that these weren't as sharp as they could have been. Secrets? I'd say a) fast shutter speed, b) steady the camera (hold, mono, pan, etc.), c) proper sharpening in processing, d) proper focus on subject. In order to do a) and d), you need an excellent lens and fast focusing body.

I had a lot of bad shots on this outing, as my timing was off somewhat, I was not in the right place at the right time, and I missed my mark on focus a few times. For me, this is common early in a season.

zacker
09-12-2006, 11:23 AM
LATLEY, IT SEEMS, i HAVE NOT BEEN GETTING SHARP ENOUGH SHOTS WHICH MEANS DOING A GOOD BIT OF SHARPENING IN ps AND THUS GETTING LARGE LEVELS OF NOISE SO I HAVE TO RUN EACH SHOT THROUGH A NOISE FILTER THUS BRINGING DOWN THE LEVEL OF SHARPENING..BUT THEN AGAIN i GET SOME INCREDIBLY SHARP..(OPPS Caps loc again..lol) Images.. I dont understand it. Now, while shooting jpeg fine-large, i have the camera settings on 0-sharpen-1 contrast and 3-saturation... it seemed that before with it on 2 or 3 for sharpen, it was over sharpening..
got any tips for shooting in MF or AV or TV? under or over expose by a stop?

convergent
09-12-2006, 06:16 PM
Hmmm... I don't think its really possible to oversharpen with in camera settings. Have you read the Canon PhotoWorkshop article on EOS cameras that talks a lot about sharpening? It would give you some good background info on Canon's perspective on all of this. The thing I look at is if I take 200 images at a given shoot, and some of them are exceptionally sharp, and others are not, then something I am doing is causing the problem. In my case its usually motion blur, or failure to lock on the subject. Failure to lock is a consequence of not allowing enough settle time and/or not getting the AF target on the subject. Motion blur is just technique.

If you are shooting High ISO, then the trick is to get the exposure correct to preven noise. The farther under exposed you are, the noise you'll find in the shadows. You should not get ANY noise from sharpening your image properly if you are shooting normal ISO and have proper exposure.

As for shooting manual, the best advice I can give is to either use a meter, or meter off something neutral... which in the case of these images it was the green grass. You do NOT want to meter the player most likely because uniforms tend to be very light or very dark and will through your exposure off. This is also why shooting sports in Av or Tv can be problematic... however, sometimes you have little choice if the lighting is dramatically changing from shot to shot. These images were all over the place because I shot manual and the lighting was harsh. A couple of them I had to agressively correct in processing to get the exposure back to where I thought it should be. In this case it was more that I had very harsh shadows, and had exposed to get the face right. Once side of the face is correct, and the other very shadowed... so there was really no better way to expose it at shoot time without flash... which in a soccer game is a bit impossible.

zacker
09-12-2006, 09:21 PM
ok, i was out today in the bright sun and was shooting some beach scenes... Im finding that in MM or even AV or TV, If I over expose by one stop, Im pretty good... look....

http://zacker.smugmug.com/photos/94961868-L.jpg

Metered in Evaluative, off the white and red of the station and was using MM (I believe) and ISO100, AF was set to one shot, and made use of the CP filter ... I noticed the histogram was pretty much high in the center and sloped to each side, where i wanted it too... but, it sloped just a tad more to the right! On the MX shoot the other day, even in the auto-sports mode, the camera under exposed.. and the shots would be very noisey after raising the bright channels in levels, and, I found out the sharpening thing i think too.. every setting in the cam has a zero in the center and you can go plus or minus with it,,,except the sharpening, i never even noticed that..so I was setting the sharpening to what I thought was 2 or three stops above zero when I was actually setting it at about 6 stops!!! This pic was lightly sharpened in USM in PSCS2.

ATVinBarbie
09-13-2006, 07:59 AM
Soccer is a "busy" sport.... It's exhausting enough playing... I can only imagine how hard it would be running up and down the field with camera and gear trying to capture the action shots.... :doh

Great photos for being rusty early in the season tho. :tup

convergent
09-13-2006, 01:21 PM
Yep, you really can't run up and down the field like you do with football, because they don't stop. I generally plant myself in a spot for a while, and will then move to a different spot after a while. It kind of depends on the teams and where the action seems to be going. If I'm trying to get shots of every player, I also need to move around a little to get where I can see them coming at me.... offense, defence, keeper, etc.