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J.W.
02-06-2008, 08:25 PM
im going to order a new tripod in the next week or so and it will be my first "real" one so im a little lost.

i think i've decided on the manfrotto 190xprob legs because i like the idea of being able to swing out the center section. completly lost on heads though.

i'd like to keep it in the 200 range for both but...

the legs are 145ish alone so is there such a thing as a good cheap head?

zacker
02-06-2008, 09:48 PM
i got the something mini...lol ill go find the link!

zacker
02-06-2008, 09:56 PM
here it is,,, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?shs=Bogen+%2F+Manfrotto+486+BALL+HEAD+w%2FRC2 +RAPID+CONNECT+-+BO486RC2++&ci=0&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=orderHistoryDetail.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t

convergent
02-07-2008, 12:12 AM
You need to decide if you want a 3-way head or a ballhead first I think. The 3030 is a popular 3-way Bogen/Manfrotto head. My ballhead is an Acratech and I think I paid as much for that used as you have budgeted for your whole setup, so that won't work. I know Bogen makes some less expensive heads that have a pistol grip for quick release and movement. Depending on how much weight you are putting on it, that might be a good option. But try to decide first on 3-way vs. ballhead to narrow it down.

J.W.
02-07-2008, 08:31 AM
nice. thats one of the ones i was looking at, i saw it someplace packaged with those legs for like 213 or right around there.


here it is,,, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?shs=Bogen+%2F+Manfrotto+486+BALL+HEAD+w%2FRC2 +RAPID+CONNECT+-+BO486RC2++&ci=0&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=orderHistoryDetail.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t

zacker
02-07-2008, 08:34 AM
i have no problem with it, i also have the micro version on my mono pod so i only need one mounting plate on my cam to use either or.. works nicely.

J.W.
02-07-2008, 08:40 AM
i forgot to mention that, lol....i think i am going ball head.

i saw one with a pistol grip....i dont think the easyness is worth the extra $$ to me right now....:)

weight could be a problem, i know the legs will hold 11lbs....the longest lens i plan on having for awhile is a 400, so the most weight it'll have would be a 40d with grip and a 400mm....i have no idea what that would weigh, lol.


You need to decide if you want a 3-way head or a ballhead first I think. The 3030 is a popular 3-way Bogen/Manfrotto head. My ballhead is an Acratech and I think I paid as much for that used as you have budgeted for your whole setup, so that won't work. I know Bogen makes some less expensive heads that have a pistol grip for quick release and movement. Depending on how much weight you are putting on it, that might be a good option. But try to decide first on 3-way vs. ballhead to narrow it down.

J.W.
02-07-2008, 08:42 AM
what kind of wieght have you had on it?

EDIT: huh, just noticed that link says it'll hold 13 something lbs....i read one other that said that same one would only hold 6 something.....odd.


i have no problem with it, i also have the micro version on my mono pod so i only need one mounting plate on my cam to use either or.. works nicely.

chefdave
02-07-2008, 04:09 PM
here is the 1 I have I love it
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/434497.jpg
here is the link (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/434497-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_804RC2_804RC2_3_Way_Pan_Tilt_Head. html)

convergent
02-07-2008, 04:44 PM
I would be careful with ballheads that don't have a damper on them to keep them from must shifting abruptly... that can send your stuff in the floor.

Slim Chance
02-08-2008, 09:55 AM
J W,
I just bought a Bogen 3001 on Ebay for $82 shipped, but it came with a tilt type head I don't like. I can't decide if I'm gonna sell it all on ebay and just get a newer one or keep the legs and add a ball head. I didn't stop and think about the one I got being silver. Not the best idea for sneaking into the wilderness and photographing wildlife.

J.W.
02-12-2008, 10:10 PM
well, i just got back from Manchester NH...stopped at a place that had the legs i was looking at packaged like this...

http://www.adorama.com/BG190XPB804R.html

but they also had this head....

http://www.adorama.com/BG322RC2.html?searchinfo=322RC2&item_no=2

that head feels super nice. i think i am really liking the idea of those legs with that grip head, any thoughts on that?

J.W.
02-13-2008, 07:50 PM
bump...

and also, how do i know if that head has a damper?

StudioCMC
02-14-2008, 10:05 AM
A dampener is an addon feature typicly used for Astronamy photography. If your after a quick shot, the Dampener will never come into play in Earthly photography.

Carbon fiber pods are more stable than aluminum, as well as the weight of the tripod. But this gets into issues of weight, packing it around. You can buy dampeners, and mount them to the feet of the tri-pod.

Usualy you can compensate the vibration simply by resting your hand on your camera when its on the tripod. You can actualy feel the vibration stop. Half-click your cameras shutter, pause, then take the shot.

All they are is little rubber pads that sit on the ground.

http://www.astronomics.com/main/Vibration_Dampeners.asp/catalog_name/Astronomics/category_name/V9B77BJGFE358N4UVTS3JWAVA6/Page/1

Chris

J.W.
02-15-2008, 04:10 PM
thanks Chris, but i mean in the head itself to keep it from slipping.

it does say it has a friction adjustment on it....is that the same thing?

im going to be REAL busy at work for the next 2 weeks so i wont get around to ordering it untill after that...hopefully i'll decide by then, lol. i keep going back and forth on those 2 heads.

StudioCMC
02-16-2008, 04:27 PM
Yes Jay, the Friction is an adjustable screw, or dial that you move to set the tension on the amound of grip.

I use a pistol styled grip, and its got a thumb wheel to set the tension. So when I am quick shooting, I grap the release, turn it to where I want it, and let it go it locks down in that position. Only when you have a long (heavy lens) or a large on camera flash, is the only time I have witnessed any sort of slip happen with my ball grip, and a few clicjks more of tension and it stoped moving.

Hope that clears that up. :D
Chris

StudioCMC
02-16-2008, 04:40 PM
This is what I use Jay:

http://www.adorama.com/BG3265.html

Now, I try to be an honest person. So if you decide to get this same style of grip, I will warn you that you will get REAL use to quickly getting the shot, as well as placing your eye up to the camera as you grab the release of the pistol grip.. So on more than 12 occasions I have litteraly "Thwapped" myself in the eye, by smacking my camera in my own face.. And well I am getting used to it now.. but.. Speed does have a price.. :D

Chris

J.W.
02-17-2008, 10:12 PM
Yes Jay, the Friction is an adjustable screw, or dial that you move to set the tension on the amound of grip.

I use a pistol styled grip, and its got a thumb wheel to set the tension. So when I am quick shooting, I grap the release, turn it to where I want it, and let it go it locks down in that position. Only when you have a long (heavy lens) or a large on camera flash, is the only time I have witnessed any sort of slip happen with my ball grip, and a few clicjks more of tension and it stoped moving.

Hope that clears that up. :D
Chris

sweet, that helps a lot. thanks. :)

J.W.
02-17-2008, 10:15 PM
This is what I use Jay:

http://www.adorama.com/BG3265.html

Now, I try to be an honest person. So if you decide to get this same style of grip, I will warn you that you will get REAL use to quickly getting the shot, as well as placing your eye up to the camera as you grab the release of the pistol grip.. So on more than 12 occasions I have litteraly "Thwapped" myself in the eye, by smacking my camera in my own face.. And well I am getting used to it now.. but.. Speed does have a price.. :D

Chris

that looks pretty nice too...saved to my wishlist, i'll have to check it out more when i get some time, thanks. :D

LOL, i could see myself doing the same thing...might be a good thing i wear glasses, lol.

J.W.
02-25-2008, 11:35 AM
I finally got around to ordering (been real busy at work the last 2 weeks).....

i really liked the 322 head i played with at the shop so i got that kit...

http://www.adorama.com/BG190XP322RC.html


thanks for all the help everyone. :)

J.W.
02-27-2008, 07:35 PM
so thanks to some super fast shipping it came in today...

i didnt know it when i ordered but after playing around with it (and reading the instructions ;)) i found out that the plate on this head can be moved up to the end of the handle so it becomes like a vertical grip, very cool. :D

this is the head incase you dont wanna click the link.

http://www.adorama.com/images/large/BG322RC2.JPG